Thursday, January 05, 2006

Proud Muslim, Stupid Muslim

Assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

Just recently, while in Pakistan and Jordan, I was boasting about what a great place South Africa is- we have almost total freedom of speech, freedom of expression and most importantly freedom of religion. Freedoms that many others in so-called ‘Islamic Countries’ can only dream of! There are almost no obstacles to us in terms of religious practices, beliefs, etc.

But I almost found myself having to eat my words. News on the internet was that there was troubling brewing back home- internal conflict in our wonderful community: Camperdown had made public statements that upset Al-Ansaar, who retaliated with lawyers’ letters. The finer details can be found at and I really wouldn’t want to get into that.

The reason I bring up this issue, which some would rather have swept under the carpet, is an institution called The Rand Corporation- a non-profit research organization based in the US. It is a well established and influential think tank that has the reputation of being objective in its approach. It publishes occasional papers on Islam and Muslims that have been thoughtful and provocative. (

Over a year ago, Cheryl Benard published a paper entitled Civil Democratic Islam. The paper opens with ‘There is no question that contemporary Islam is in a volatile state, engaged in an internal and external struggle over its values, its identity, and its place in the world. Rival versions are contending for spiritual and political dominance…’ Following along the same lines, it goes on to discuss how, if not dealt with strategically, Muslim communities around the world, will provide endless problems. (

Now frankly, I believe that the entire report is highly disappointing and of poor quality. But there is an interesting strategy that is presented, which I believe is important for Muslims to be aware of. It suggests identifying different groups of Muslims and then, how to play one against the other to further a particular agenda. Now while only the foolish would suggest that sinister forces can be working locally in our fairly well organised community, we should not be naïve to think that there is no possibility of external interferences. (See: )

According to the report, Muslims are broken down into four categories: Fundamentalists, Traditionalists, Modernists and Secularists. This alone indicates the failure of the author to correctly analyse Muslim communities. It then goes on to describe the groups as follows:

·Fundamentalists want to impose and expand the strict observance of Islam- which they often interpret in eccentric ways not always supported by orthodox texts and sources- through force, violence, terrorism, and any other means necessary, the report says.

·Traditionalists tend not to challenge the state, but oppose terrorism and violence. However, they are often uncomfortable with modernity, and many of them lack education, even about the essence of their own religion, relying instead on superstitions and local tradition. In many places, they have contributed to stagnation and inertia, and have not helped their societies prosper and progress.

·Modernists and secularists are more closely aligned with the West in their values and policies, though the more extreme secularists can hold radical views that place them beyond the bounds of democracy. Modernists support reform in the hope that the Islamic world becomes part of contemporary global society.

·Secularists go even further, urging Muslims to accept the Western idea of a separation between religion and the state, relegating religion to a private matter.

Few Muslims around the world will fit into only a single one of these categories. More so in the South African context: we have some ‘traditionalists’ now becoming actively involved in the political arena while others are still condemning television and media. We also have ‘modernists’ who are achieving remarkable results in their efforts while others seem to be merely serving their own agendas under an Islamic banner.

But while the report is riddled with misconceptions and inconsistencies, it does teach us an important lesson- without unity in the Muslim community, we expose ourselves to the influences of external forces.

But unity does also not always achieve desired or optimum results- Muslim economists cite the current banking developments as proof of this. In Britain, some ‘traditionalist’ and ‘modernists’ have come together to endorse products of a major conventional bank. Some Muslim scholars call this unlikely marriage ‘the beginning of the end of any truly Islamic economic system.’ (Muslim Council of Britain with Mufti Taqi Usmani and others have sanctioned HSBC bank in the UK. )

Looking back in history, we find that there have always been conflicting differences of opinion in the Muslim Ummah- the challenge is to deal with these challenges in the appropriate Islamic manner. Those who disagree need to engage in constructive dialogue and debate in the proper Islamic manner. The same for us in South Africa- transparent, polite, open and constructive discussion whenever a difference in opinion exists.

Achieving unity in our community will not be an easy task- the youth of today need to swallow their pride and learn from the mistakes of those before them. By doing this they can strive for a united Muslim community. The calibre of the next generation in all the different institutions, organisations, and groups gives us hope that we can achieve this and take Islam and Muslims to the heights once enjoyed. As history has showed us time and time again- a Proud Muslim is most definitely a Stupid Muslim…


Blogger Chris said...

And who, pray tell, is "the common enemy"?

July 2, 2007 at 11:09 AM  
Anonymous William said...

Islam is so stupid, it is hard to believe anyone would fall for this
sick stack of lies. In these modern times, the only person who would believe in Islam is,

2.Not to bright.
3.Just plain stupid.

Islam is no religion. Its is a death cult of hatred and deception.

Don't be fooled, or it may cost your life. Islam is all about being cruel. Adultry or even one bottle of beer could be the end of your life. These people are not rational. The primitive religion makes them stupid and crazy. This is the reason why the rest of the world is moving ahead, but Islam is almost 1000 years behind, and living in the dark ages. The religion poisons the brain and makes them act very stupid.

July 16, 2007 at 5:51 PM  
Blogger KHALEDALY said...

your site is something can be just described as a pool shit,you do not know what is the holy quran, what you mentioned untrue about quran is all true but you can not affect any good hearted muslims you are just know evils.............i'll make a scandels through the internet to demonstrate your shit doing to fight islam, islam does not care about those ex.muslims because they do not worth to be muslims.
remember.....we are all humanbeing, but islam is the most respect for humanity....i give you sincere advises...........................go read the quran more perfectly...........your arabic site is a shit and totally non -convincing to any muslim arab.............your trials are totally hopeless and useless.
may allah convert you back to the truth way ..i mean islam and only islam.

do not bother ;islam is great and will dominate all over the world , because it is the truth and the last message of god to all man kind, i invite all humanbeing not to waste time in creticizing islam;just need to study islam and quran,and remember there is no compulsion for anyone to be muslim, because islam is well protected by god, and nobody can affect its distribution worldwide.

September 24, 2007 at 11:39 AM  
Anonymous lubna said...


Good to hear from you. You know the issues you raise are the same things that have plagued this community for generations. It is a common phenomenon across the globe, where Muslims from differing perspectives fight amongst themselves, and shoot themselves in the foot. The Western world has only harnessed this weakness amongst the Ummah to serve their own agendas. In the mission to prove "their" version of Islam is right, many overlook the importance of reconciling differences and standing firm against the common enemy.

Hopefully we will be able to overcome this tendency soon, before it is too late.


May 15, 2009 at 12:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i rewally dont understand anthing you wrote (or i just cant be bother to read it all)

anyways just wanted to say if you really dont know anytghing about islam dont start by reading random ppls little articals about islam because they could very easliy be wrong but not all the time. know islam by some a bit more well known some one like yusuf estes

and yh Isam is a awsome regligon that why its like the worlds fastest gowing religion.

June 22, 2009 at 10:01 AM  
Blogger Bellinda said...

To be honest, anything can happen. Either the end of European Christianity or the beginning of Islamic European is not impossibility. The real issue is, “if muslims are so stupid and 1000 years backward, then why do most European were so stupidly afraid of them (become islamophobics)? Why do the western scientists (mostly Christians) so desperately try to ridicule Islam?” …………..

September 8, 2009 at 2:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the fucking muslims are sacks of shit i wish death on them all they are 1000 years in the past and ignorant fanatics i hope they kill each other and take the palastinians with them

November 7, 2009 at 3:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the usa and other armys should just wipe out that whole region those people are ignorant fanatics and should be wiped out

November 7, 2009 at 3:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmmm, I don't know... why would any one wish to stop a group of brainwashed people willing to kill to prove few hundred pages of text transcribed from an illiterate, iron age, megalomanical, bigoted, racist pedophile with homicidal tendencies is the ultimate answer to all questions ever asked.

Why would anyone anywhere want to stop a batch of rabid loonies that are willing to use deadly force to impose their unfounded, nonsensical religious doctrine and laws upon everyone in the world?

Why would the scientific community actively ridicule any doctrine that stifles research and innovation where any results that are not compliant with the scientific understanding of an illiterate desert dwelling goat herder from the dark ages is punishable by death?

Gee - I guess when phrased that way, Bellinda's questions are not all that insightful, though provoking or even a slight bit intelligent.

September 17, 2010 at 5:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fucking moslems

December 5, 2010 at 11:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Being a proud Muslim means abolishing what makes people human, their ability to reason, to blindly follow a religion that suppresses education, which is seen as a threat, and promotes animalistic tendencies and actions and support apartheid, terrorism, and other inhumane practices. The difference between Islam and some other religions is the fact that it cannot be relegated to a private matter since the religion itself is inherently aggressive toward other religions and anyone that argues this is not a true Muslim. Proud Muslims always seek to eliminate a "common enemy". Just look at the comments here. Islam is a cleverly constructed though control mechanism with self feedback. It protects itself from outside threats whether foreseen at time of its inception/creation or not in the most effective way, eliminate, or claim it to be untrue/blasphemous. This leaves no possible escape route for a mind to question what it is told, and simply "submit" to submission. If you wish to argue these facts and claim to be both a proud Muslim, and a free thinker, then simply re-read your holy book, but also read between the lines and carefully construct a logic and cohesiveness table and watch the contradictions that a omniscient and omnipotent "God" made. Then ask yourself if the book you base your religion on is not really the word of God, what are you basing your religion on. If you got this far, then you now know that what you believe is either the "moral teachings" of the book, or know that you follow it for self benefit. If you agree with these statements, then surely you are not a Muslim at all...

August 21, 2011 at 9:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Islam is the only way to success. The west is too backwards to see it at present but I hope they progress rapidly enough to realise it.

November 22, 2011 at 2:31 AM  

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